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Great ideas, plan to use some of them for my off grid tiny house!
Just a couple of comments: While your planned system will allow you to be away from a pressurized water system for up to a week, that Incinolet toilet requires 1.5 kwh of electricity every time you turn it on. So you either have to have access to shore power, or you need a fairly substantial alternative electrical system to run it. (We considered one for our off-grid homestead, but the electricity requirement was too great for our system.)
While an RV shower head is not “low flow,” it is designed to save a tremendous amount of water, in that it has a shut-off valve on the side of the shower head. Rather than running the water the entire time you are in the shower, you shut the water off while shampooing, lathering with soap, etc. My husband and I can both shower without running the 6 gallon water heater out of hot water using this method.
Thanks for your comments Debra. We also considered the electric use of the Incinolet. The thinking is that we’re ever far from a plug (out of urban areas, etc), a simple compost toilet could replace the Incinolet (such as the one many folks mention in the Humanure Handbook). That said, we’re going to see what a 1kW solar array can power on one of the tiny homes…
On the RV showerheads, very true that technique is as important as function. On the latter, I found some even more water efficient showerheads, including the Bricor B-100.55 gpm model:
We’ll be interested in seeing what that 1kw solar array includes, and costs.
I’ve experienced “low flow” shower heads in hotels in the past, and was never satisfied with them. I always felt I needed to turn it up more or something. The way we use our RV shower, I don’t have that problem.
Our RV is equipped with a control panel next to the door. This is where one finds the sensors that (sort of) give the levels for the batteries and the three water tanks, as well as switches for the accessories–water pump, electric water heater, propane water heater, lights and the awning and slide-out section. We turn the water heater (propane, since we’re off-grid) on when we need it and off when we don’t, to save propane. It takes very little time to heat up, so it’s the next best thing to an on-demand water heater.
I used to live in St. Croix U.S.V.I. and we had cisterns under our home that held all of our shower, commode, and sink water. We bought purified water to drink. Because of the need to save water, we had a shower head with an on and off lever on it. After living there for almost three years, my whole family became accustomed to using the lever for the shower. We continued to use one after coming back to our home in the states, but, eventually got used to avoiding it. I still like it for saving water. You get wet, wash, rinse. Not just once, but as many times at it takes. BUT, it definitely saves water! Lots of water!
Another alternative is using a camping portable shower setup. There are lots available, mostly using propane to heat the water and either a pumped up pressure system or a battery operated pump. There’s even a water heating coil available that goes in a campfire or on top of a stove. Just search for portable shower or camping shower and there are lots of hits. There are also portable greywater tanks on wheels that could be used by a house without it’s own drainpipe to be dumped elsewhere (properly of course!) If you have one house plugged in to water and sewer it should be possible to fill water tanks from it and drain greywater from other houses using it’s systems as long as you set it up to minimise “accidents”. If nothing is available onsite it’s always possible to set up a little trailer with clean water and greywater tanks to service tanks in the houses using offsite resources as long as you’re scrupulously clean about it.
I have long thought that builders of tiny houses should pay more attention to what is done with plumbing in RV’s and I think you are mostly right on with your plan. You might take note though of a couple of things that might be of use. You my not need separate one-way valves for example.
1.) Standard RV water pumps have a built in one-way valve to prevent city water from flowing backwards through the pump.
2.) Standard readily available RV city water inlet fittings most typically also have a one-way valve built into them. Sometimes they also have a pressure regulator in them to protect the system from too high water pressure.
On another note there is an alternative to draining the water out of your system when stored during cold weather. I use it on my 1973 Airstream trailer. You can install a “Y” valve designed for this purpose on the fresh water tank side of the water pump. You can then attach a flexible tube that can be used to draw RV antifreeze into the water system with the pump. You just open your plumbing valves until the colored antifreeze comes out telling you that the system is full. RV antifreeze is non-toxic and does not harm your plumbing. In my system I use another RV accessory that allows me to connect an air hose to the city water inlet to blow the antifreeze out of my pipes when I am ready to put water back in. You can of course just flush it out with fresh water but I like to reclaim the antifreeze for use next year so the air helps let me do that without diluting the antifreeze so much.
Check into Marine Sanitation Devices. Several companies make these systems. They treat the grey and black water on boats to an acceptable level as deemed by the Coast Guard to then be discharged in to the lake/river/sea water. You can also recycle this water back into the system to illiminate dumping or holding in a tank. I don’t know the land applications, but if you can discharge into the lake, you might be able to discahrge on a land discharge field.
Thank you for the platform to post. It was a great read. In reference to your 40 gallon holding tank i just wanted to add to the list of available suppliers, and i hope you don’t mind me doing so. Plastic-mart really specializes in custom fitting sizes and locations. If you can put it on paper, they can pretty much get it done. Appreciate your time.
Thank you for this plumbing post – it’s the most informative that I have come across so far. My plumbing plans are the next step in my construction… I super appreciate all the product links and explanations of why you chose what you did. Thank you!
Very useful information…ur time is appreciated….I’m in the very early planning phases of living in a small home..doing my home work …thank u! Tammy lee
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